September 25, 2003

Dept. of Clip-and-Save Pred...

Dept. of Clip-and-Save Predictions: From the New York Presile bloggers—those who came up from nothing with a will to write, not those high-vis journos who slummed in the freeform—find jobs in the mainstream press, where they clearly thirst to be. Their sites will atrophy, and the left-behinders will become bitter, scream "sellout" and lose interest.

The blog is a dead form within two years. On the outside. Via Elizabeth Speirs.

Posted by at September 25, 2003 08:43 PM
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Heh. I said the exact same thing two years ago. I gotta email Ed Driscoll and ask where the hell that article of his is at online.

Posted by: Paul at September 25, 2003 10:19 PM

I hate blogging. It's a big waste of time. I have better things to do with my time. I get in pointless debates that make me look foolish and stupid. I say things I later regret. And it gives me little in return in the way of big audience or money.

But I can't stop. I can't imagine life now without howardowens.com.

I always wanted a site that is something like my blog is now, but never saw any reason to put the effort forth to get it going. Now that I have it, I see no reaons to stop.

I long ago stopped feeling feeling compelled to post something every day, but I can't imagine ever completely giving it up.

I can't be alone in that feeling.

The blog culture may evolve, but I don't think it will ever disappear, so long as the Internet exists as we know it now.

Posted by: Howard Owens at September 26, 2003 12:49 AM

"It's the new zine"?

When did zines stop happening? I still see them around.

Admittedly, I used to have a zine before I got the job I have now, but I didn't give it up because of my job. I gave it up because I couldn't find any artists who weren't flakes.

On my blog, I don't need artists. So it can go on forever.

Posted by: LYT at September 26, 2003 04:03 AM

Random observations and questions about the poll:

-- The polling firm, Bendixen & Associates, is run by a longtime political consultant, Sergio Bendixen, with close ties to the Democrats. (He serves on the board of the New Democrat Network with Mack McClarty, Mike McCurry, Vic Fazio, Dave McCurdy and Joe Andrew, among others.)

-- The poll had mixed sample sizes with differing margins of error for each constituency.

-- Hispanic respondents were queried both in English and Spanish, and "several additional questions were posed only to Latino respondents to further explore their attitudes."

Kind of sounds like a push poll to me...

Posted by: MBS at September 26, 2003 08:48 AM

She's right at the micro level - the starving young blogger types tend to leave the blog a bit bereft when they get real writing jobs (McArdle, Yglesias, Bill Simmons) - but that leaves plenty of other bloggers:

+Bloggers who (like me) can't quit their day jobs to make crap for money at the bottom of the journalistic totem pole. Many prominent bloggers are lawyers, like me; we passed on journalism as a career already. In fact, after I had my blog up a while I actually quit writing for a Big Media online gig (in part because I preferred the immediacy and freedom of the blog, and in part because the paper was behind a registration firewall where lots of people couldn't read my stuff).

+Academics who have the free time and drive to blog as an adjunct to other gigs, like Instaman and Volokh and Drezner.

+People whose output is too huge or too wierd to publish except on a blog (like Den Beste or Michele Catalano, both of whom have kept blogging while getting higher visibility).

Posted by: Crank at September 26, 2003 01:32 PM

Dead form for the 'journalist' blogs and 'big media' blogs, I'll agree with that.
For the rest, see Crank's comment above.

Posted by: Kathy K at September 26, 2003 03:43 PM

Addendum:
A lot of blogs are published by 'ordinary people' in spare time from 'ordinary jobs'. Blogs will not become 'zines', they will become the 'voice of the people'. Zines were fun but they were always the voice of the creative elite. Blogs are our voices. Not yours. Not theirs. Ours

And even if no one listens, we will continue to speak.

Posted by: Kathy K at September 26, 2003 03:52 PM

Zines were always the voice of the creative elite?

I'm flattered by that label, and yet would have to dispute it. I took my zine to the Alternative Press Expo, and the zines there varied from scholarly research type stuff to really asinine high-schoolers cutting-and-pasting clip art that they liked and calling it their zine.

All it takes to have a zine are sheets of paper and something to put on it. In their diversity of quality, they are like blogs. And they have not gone away.

Posted by: LYT at September 26, 2003 05:41 PM

Completely disagree. Blogging is simply the old time pamphlet method moved to the 21st century. We are the Tom Paine's, Federalist Papers, Rights of Man guys. I have a long post on same on my site if you want to read it. http://oraculations.blogspot.com/2003_09_01_oraculations_archive.html#106460719433981581

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whose output is too huge or too wierd to publish except on a blog (like Den Beste or Michele Catalano, both of whom have kept blogging while getting higher visibility).

Posted by: Crank at September 26, 2003 01:32 PM

Dead form for the 'journalist' blogs and 'big media' blogs, I'll agree with that.
For the rest, see Crank's comment above.

Posted by: Kathy K at September 26, 2003 03:43 PM

Addendum:
A lot of blogs are published by 'ordinary people' in spare time from 'ordinary jobs'. Blogs will not become 'zines', they will become the 'voice of the people'. Zines were fun but they were always the voice of the creative elite. Blogs are our voices. Not yours. Not theirs. Ours

And even if no one listens, we will continue to speak.

Posted by: Kathy K at September 26, 2003 03:52 PM

Zines were always the voice of the creative elite?

I'm flattered by that label, and yet would have to dispute it. I took my zine to the Alternative Press Expo, and the zines there varied from scholarly research type stuff to really asinine high-schoolers cutting-and-pasting clip art that they liked and calling it their zine.

All it takes to have a zine are sheets of paper and something to put on it. In their diversity of quality, they are like blogs. And they have not gone away.

Posted by: LYT at September 26, 2003 05:41 PM

Completely disagree. Blogging is simply the old time pamphlet method moved to the 21st century. We are the Tom Paine's, Federalist Papers, Rights of Man guys. I have a long post on same on my site if you want to read it. http://oraculations.blogspot.com/2003_09_01_oraculations_archive.html#106460719433981581

Posted by: Howard Veit at September 26, 2003 07:05 PM
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