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Well, I live in New York City, and honestly this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone saying that NYers hate Souther California. It sounds to me as if people are trying to make themselves feel better by creating an opposition that probably doesn't really exist.

Posted by: Bobbert at August 17, 2003 10:10 AM

This may sound off the wall, but I think another reason for cultural differences may be that the original eastern settlers in the areas are from different parts of the east. NoCal (uh, make that Bay Area) was originally settled by more 'Yankees' (think anything north of NYC), the only significant southern injection being blacks who arrived mostly in the forties. LA area is full of New Yorkers and Southerners. Such ties can have surpisingly long-lasting effects on local culture even when new arrivals out-number the originals.

Posted by: Scott at August 17, 2003 10:52 AM

Bostonians are convinced that their city has a rivalry with New York. New Yorkers have generally never heard of said rivalry.

Similarly, Los Angeles is convinced their city has a rivalry with New York, and New Yorkers haven't received that memo.

San Francisco is a target of jokes and snide condescencion from New Yorkers, but that's only because we like you guys and see you as holdin' the fort in the second best part of America.

New Yorkers hate Americans, but we kinda like Northern Californians. Just don't tell 'em we said that.

Posted by: Evan Vetere at August 18, 2003 07:45 PM


The thing that strikes me is how "San Francisco" seems to be treated as synonymous with "Northern California" here. Really, the Bay Area is an entirely separate part of the state, whereas the true NoCal is the mix of the agrarian Valley and the rural mountain regions. Neither of which are populated with people who care too much about either SF or LA (places I rarely have ventured in 25 years in Northern California).

Posted by: Kurt Montandon at August 20, 2003 05:34 AM
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