June 25, 2003

New Reason Column -- Disass...

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Salud y abrazo, I just read it on Reason. It's very good. I linked to it.

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Posted by: Al Giordano at June 25, 2003 05:20 PM

What would be nice is to see something -anything- new in the recent debate that you can't read in 19th Century newspapers. They ethnicities have changed, but not much else, it seems.

Posted by: Paul at June 25, 2003 09:07 PM

Great article, Matt! I linked my take on it here:

http://www.hereticalideas.com/archives/000794.html

Posted by: Alex Knapp at June 26, 2003 07:31 AM

I thought the link would have something to do with the VDH book, but it doesn't. You did a nice job anyway.

Posted by: Javier at June 26, 2003 10:17 AM

It's funny, back in college, I took the anti-immigration position while my roommate(2nd generation Mexican-American)was pro. This has somewhat reversed with me being for open borders and him looking for ways to discourage Latino immigration. His reasons echo some of what Hanson says in the articles. Namely, people come here looking for a better life, yet never quite realize the American dream. He and Hanson do share something else, they both are extremely pessimistic people.

Of course, one of Hanson's main culprits, multiculturalism, is advocated by his own party. I wonder, if he has left the Democrats, considering how it is their policies which help to undermine assimilation.

Posted by: Bob at June 26, 2003 05:02 PM

Is it me, or am I missing something in this so-called "debate," namely the argument for more immigration, presented just as stridently.

Or is this just more Fox-style debate?

Posted by: Doug Arellanes at June 26, 2003 11:33 PM

What is missing is that the people coming over the border are the most extreme rural poor since the Irish in the 1840's (read up on them if you want to see poor). It took the Irish almost three generations to get themselves out of the servant class and into the mainstream. They were savages, lived in mud huts in Ireland, and were known as "The Potato People" because that is all they ate. All were illiterate, partially clothed, and landed on these shores with no shoes.

Education was denied the first generation of Irish but this generation of Mexicans is not about to educate themselves. They become mired in the awful "day work" if they can get it, doing the menial labor found around most private homes in SoCal and other places where they live. Anyone living in SoCal has seen the lines of Central American men at all the paint stores in town looking for day work, and most of us have hired them. They work. They work hard. But they can't rise because they have no education and no skills. Start businesses? Become anything other than day laborers?

Hell, my ancestors probably snuck into this country (my family lore says one of them jumped ship in Boston because he was a known criminal back in Ireland)but all of that was before the illegals could collect welfare, attend over crowded public schools, soak up medical help, and so on.

I for one, am glad that we are cutting off the flow. One benefit may be that El Presidente Fox (El Hypocrito Supremo) may finally be forced to address his own economy, his own education policies, his own tax system, and stop blaming the U.S. for his problems. His "safety valve" is about to be clogged and the poor will turn on him.

Good.

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is their policies which help to undermine assimilation.

Posted by: Bob at June 26, 2003 05:02 PM

Is it me, or am I missing something in this so-called "debate," namely the argument for more immigration, presented just as stridently.

Or is this just more Fox-style debate?

Posted by: Doug Arellanes at June 26, 2003 11:33 PM

What is missing is that the people coming over the border are the most extreme rural poor since the Irish in the 1840's (read up on them if you want to see poor). It took the Irish almost three generations to get themselves out of the servant class and into the mainstream. They were savages, lived in mud huts in Ireland, and were known as "The Potato People" because that is all they ate. All were illiterate, partially clothed, and landed on these shores with no shoes.

Education was denied the first generation of Irish but this generation of Mexicans is not about to educate themselves. They become mired in the awful "day work" if they can get it, doing the menial labor found around most private homes in SoCal and other places where they live. Anyone living in SoCal has seen the lines of Central American men at all the paint stores in town looking for day work, and most of us have hired them. They work. They work hard. But they can't rise because they have no education and no skills. Start businesses? Become anything other than day laborers?

Hell, my ancestors probably snuck into this country (my family lore says one of them jumped ship in Boston because he was a known criminal back in Ireland)but all of that was before the illegals could collect welfare, attend over crowded public schools, soak up medical help, and so on.

I for one, am glad that we are cutting off the flow. One benefit may be that El Presidente Fox (El Hypocrito Supremo) may finally be forced to address his own economy, his own education policies, his own tax system, and stop blaming the U.S. for his problems. His "safety valve" is about to be clogged and the poor will turn on him.

Good.

Posted by: Howard Veit at June 28, 2003 08:41 AM
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