May 23, 2003

Left, Right & Center Goes B...

Left, Right & Center Goes Batshit: Wasn't that show supposed to be the "civilized alternative to the screaming heads of talk radio," or something? Man, I just listened to 30 minutes of Scheer, Huffington and Frum just bite each other's extremities off, Frum suggesting that Huffington's "brain is unable to process complicated thoughts," Arianna screeching about how "the only thing that wasn't looted [in Iraq] was the oil fields," Bob urging "dissent" from the "brownshirt hoodlums of talk radio trying to convince us to give up our basic civil liberties." Constant interruptions, calling each other's arguments "just an embarrassment," "pathetic," "such nonsense," and so on. You could describe the show nowadays with several words, but "civilized" doesn't rank high among them.

Posted by at May 23, 2003 03:10 PM
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Get fucking Arianna off the show. She's a disgrace. Much better to have Scheer and Frum go at it. At least, yes, they can process complicated thoughts.

Posted by: Robert Light at May 23, 2003 04:07 PM

Man, you got a real Arianna deal going on, don't you? Though I agree: She's the weakest link, and the show would be better off letting Matt Miller (or Mickey Kaus!) actually argue for the Center, instead of seethe in bewilderment while everyone else goes postal, like today.

Posted by: Matt Welch at May 23, 2003 04:22 PM

Just to be clear, what exactly are the principles which guide Arianna's rhetoric, anyway? And that conversion she went through awhile back... It was from what to what?

Also Scheer appears to getting a rough ride this week on the blogs. Is it true that he wouldn't be published if his wife weren't an editor (as mentioned on Instapundit or some darned place)?

Posted by: Cridland at May 23, 2003 05:07 PM

Arianna was once considered a highly dangerous fire-breathing cult-worshipping conservative intellectual prone to writing books on Maria Callas and dating famous men. Now she's ... well, who knows? A bit of a comedienne, for sure, a Santa Monica-style populist, salon host, devoted single mum, and prone to writing books like "How to Overthrow the Government" and "It's All Greek to Me!" (the last one is made up...). She has a very radiant presence, and a great way of saying "DAHHlink!"

Posted by: Matt Welch at May 23, 2003 06:12 PM

And as for Scheer, his being hired at the Los Angeles Times had nothing to do with his current wife, who (if memory serves) wasn't his wife at the time, and didn't have much pull at the LAT, if she indeed worked there at all. He was hired as a National Correspondent, and became the most high-profile example of the Times embracing New Journalism. Wasn't at all a columnist back then, instead writing extremely long Column One stories about Gorbachev, Nixon, Reagan, Carter, nuclear weapons, Ed Meese, what have you. I think (and again, I'm speaking out my ass here) that his column started when his National Correspondetry ended, or something close to that.

He was a regular in the Chronicle long before his wife moved up there, and is staying along at the Times long after she has left. He is quite beloved and well-known among large sections of the population of both cities (and, at least in L.A., quite reviled as well). He's also picked up here and there off the Times' syndicate (Portland Oregonian, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, etc.). Not that I want to be the Bob Scheer Answer-Man....

Posted by: Matt Welch at May 23, 2003 06:22 PM

Just heard the KCRW replay. They ALL came off as petulant. They usually do, it's just that this week Frum was the only one was having fun.

I don't understand Scheer's use of "brownshirts" to describe what happened to Hedges. No one is being put on trains and sent to camps... No one is wearing stars on their jackets. But it seems anytime any leftist speaker is criticized, or when ANY CONSEQUENCES result from a comment, then no metaphor is too aggressive. I suspect that survivors of the Nazis would find their rhetoric disproportionate. I'm certain that when the monsters DO appear again, it will be difficult to trust Scheer to announce their arrival. Yet again, the word "petulant" comes to mind when considering his tone. He seems truly hurt that he's not regarded as courageous for speaking in dissent WITHOUT REGARD TO THE SPECIFICS OF HIS SPEECH.

Truly, if the Media Gods were just, Kaus would have his own weekly gig on public radio.

Posted by: Cridland at May 23, 2003 08:05 PM

I have the terrible feeling of someone who didn't study for the test. What show are you referring to as "that show"? Link?

Posted by: Gary Farber at May 23, 2003 09:19 PM

RE Arianna: Even when she's not in a screechy mood... the only figures I trust to "operate beyond the stale categories of left and right" are Postrel and Paglia.

ENough enough! Holiday weekend!

Posted by: Cridland at May 23, 2003 11:06 PM

Man, you got a real Arianna deal going on, don't you?

Well, yeah. It's only that her supercilious mien, her gold-digging ways, and pure demagogic political rhetoric are enough to make me want to puke.

She's basically a whore -- with a lot of money and some decent education and looks.

Posted by: Robert Light at May 24, 2003 05:38 PM

Wow, something went batty with the italics on that last post.

Just for the sake of a little specificity in understanding (i.e. the overuse of certain words can lead to fuzzy or even false connotation) with regard to Arianna Huffington.

demagogue

\Dem"a*gogue\ n. [Greek. dhmagwgo`s a popular leader; commonly in a bad sense, a leader of the mob; dh^mos the people + 'agwgo`s leading, fr. 'a`gein to lead; akin to E. act: cf. F. d['e]magogue.] A leader of the rabble; one who attempts to control the multitude by specious or deceitful arts; an unprincipled and factious mob orator.

And of course, my bringing all of this up gets back to those pleasant epistolary diatribes I had on Matt's site some time back between me and one Josh Buermann, a dispute I left off knowing full well that such a dispute is completely unresolvable within the purview of chat-box (where the best one can do really is cajole and offer, perhaps, peremptory responses).

(note to Buermann: hope you've plumbed the readings I've offered for your review, since they're by authors far more conversant with the issues than are you and your "teachers" [from Walter Lippmann to Noam Chomsky]. No, my pointing you in the direction of such authors, who give a punishing treatment of the dogmatic leftism in which you (and Arianna!) traffic, does not indicate a lack of taking your ideas seriously -- i.e. a lack of not being able to take on the populist cant which you're retailing -- but simply, that one such as myself has vastly more important things to do than to engage in verbal victories which some might construe as conclusive "victories" and pat answers to intricate problems.)

Posted by: Robert Light at May 24, 2003 07:55 PM

Why are all of my posts going "italic" on me??

Posted by: Robert Light at May 24, 2003 07:56 PM

I don't know, but I have a feeling all these folks are spinning so fast, they're gonna fly apart and land up as salsa on the studio walls.

Posted by: Paul at May 24, 2003 10:04 PM

(cackle)

"7.5"

Oh, wait... that was a different question.

Posted by: Billy Beck at May 24, 2003 10:37 PM

"Brownshirt hoodlums of talk radio?" What a classic!

As he nears his dotage, Scheer's memory neurons strain and sputter, until at last distant shreds of 1960s sound bytes manage to trickle feebly within range of his diminishing mental grasp... The result is a bizarre, left-wing mutation of vintage Spiro Agnew -- best known for gems like "Nattering nabobs of negativism!", "Effete corps of impudent snobs!", and "Anile agitprops of antiwarism!"

I dearly love it!

I wish someone could tell Scheer about the great Robert Scheer Canard-O-Matic, which has been making the blog rounds. (Mike Silverman's version was almost as funny as Scheer's inspiring columns.)

In terms of "scheer" buffoonery, the guy is fast becoming a national treasure -- and in terms of entertainment value he's catching up with the beloved but missing Iraqi Information Minister.

I want more Scheer remarks!

Posted by: Eric Scheie at May 25, 2003 08:09 PM

Is this thing non-italic yet?

Posted by: Matt Welch at May 25, 2003 10:43 PM

Living in Berkeley for three decades might have made me mean and bitter, but not mean enough to knock Scheer (who I'm sure is a nice enough guy when he isn't busy hurling insults) entirely in Italic fonts! I see no way to adjust this thing, but I have returned to the scene of the crime, and I'll try again.

By the way, I am a new blogger and I love your writing, Matt!

Posted by: Eric Scheie at May 27, 2003 01:17 PM

Scheer's also more partisan than Krugman or Coulter now...

http://www.lyinginponds.com

Posted by: HH at May 28, 2003 10:41 PM
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"7.5"

Oh, wait... that was a different question.

Posted by: Billy Beck at May 24, 2003 10:37 PM

"Brownshirt hoodlums of talk radio?" What a classic!

As he nears his dotage, Scheer's memory neurons strain and sputter, until at last distant shreds of 1960s sound bytes manage to trickle feebly within range of his diminishing mental grasp... The result is a bizarre, left-wing mutation of vintage Spiro Agnew -- best known for gems like "Nattering nabobs of negativism!", "Effete corps of impudent snobs!", and "Anile agitprops of antiwarism!"

I dearly love it!

I wish someone could tell Scheer about the great Robert Scheer Canard-O-Matic, which has been making the blog rounds. (Mike Silverman's version was almost as funny as Scheer's inspiring columns.)

In terms of "scheer" buffoonery, the guy is fast becoming a national treasure -- and in terms of entertainment value he's catching up with the beloved but missing Iraqi Information Minister.

I want more Scheer remarks!

Posted by: Eric Scheie at May 25, 2003 08:09 PM

Is this thing non-italic yet?

Posted by: Matt Welch at May 25, 2003 10:43 PM

Living in Berkeley for three decades might have made me mean and bitter, but not mean enough to knock Scheer (who I'm sure is a nice enough guy when he isn't busy hurling insults) entirely in Italic fonts! I see no way to adjust this thing, but I have returned to the scene of the crime, and I'll try again.

By the way, I am a new blogger and I love your writing, Matt!

Posted by: Eric Scheie at May 27, 2003 01:17 PM

Scheer's also more partisan than Krugman or Coulter now...

http://www.lyinginponds.com

Posted by: HH at May 28, 2003 10:41 PM
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