November 23, 2002

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Matt,

If you have the chance, catch the CSPAN II rebroadcast of the Miami Book Fair International - Christopher Hitchens and David Rieff as panelists. Orwell, language, words - Havel gets some high praise - I think you'll enjoy.

10:00 PM PST, and again at 4:00 AM

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Cheers,
Ray
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Posted by: Ray Eckhart at November 23, 2002 01:58 PM

I screwed up - added 3 hrs instead of subtracted. Make that 4:00PM PST (1/2 hr ago) and 1:00AM.

No martini excuse, either - just stoopid.

Posted by: Ray Eckhart at November 23, 2002 04:30 PM

Truly a significant moment in history
- and Bush WAS presidential to boot!
It certainly does make one wonder about that media coverage with its emphasis on Iraq.???

As to this in your closing paragraph;

"But opponents of NATO expansion have been famously wrong -- about Russia's once-feared opposition to the idea, mostly."

I think you shed some light on at least one reason why that Russian opposition has diminished in your second to last paragraph;

"But the fact remains that NATO played a minor supporting role in the Afghan war and it is likely to do more of the same should shooting break out in Iraq. Decision by consensus is beastly enough with 19 members; 26 and counting may make it a nightmare."

The Russians are well aware of the nightmare. I am sure they are looking forward to it.

Still, it is a feel good moment for the world, the challenge is to keep the bickering in NATO to a minimum.
Good article!

Posted by: Warren Celli at November 23, 2002 05:35 PM

NATo has to be still-relevant in some way, if China is sniffing around the front door. 9/11 pretty much put the kibosh on the SCO, with Russian moves toward the West and US troops in Central Asia. And China's leadership today is nothing if not pragmatic.

True, this makes NATO more like the OSCE (maybe the OSCEANA "Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Asia, and North America", making for endless Orwell jokes). But that's mostly what these things do, anyway, at least in the ideal world where a good defense never actually needs to be used.

Posted by: Dan Hartung at November 26, 2002 02:19 AM
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mments-post">Posted by: Ray Eckhart at November 23, 2002 01:58 PM

I screwed up - added 3 hrs instead of subtracted. Make that 4:00PM PST (1/2 hr ago) and 1:00AM.

No martini excuse, either - just stoopid.

Posted by: Ray Eckhart at November 23, 2002 04:30 PM

Truly a significant moment in history
- and Bush WAS presidential to boot!
It certainly does make one wonder about that media coverage with its emphasis on Iraq.???

As to this in your closing paragraph;

"But opponents of NATO expansion have been famously wrong -- about Russia's once-feared opposition to the idea, mostly."

I think you shed some light on at least one reason why that Russian opposition has diminished in your second to last paragraph;

"But the fact remains that NATO played a minor supporting role in the Afghan war and it is likely to do more of the same should shooting break out in Iraq. Decision by consensus is beastly enough with 19 members; 26 and counting may make it a nightmare."

The Russians are well aware of the nightmare. I am sure they are looking forward to it.

Still, it is a feel good moment for the world, the challenge is to keep the bickering in NATO to a minimum.
Good article!

Posted by: Warren Celli at November 23, 2002 05:35 PM

NATo has to be still-relevant in some way, if China is sniffing around the front door. 9/11 pretty much put the kibosh on the SCO, with Russian moves toward the West and US troops in Central Asia. And China's leadership today is nothing if not pragmatic.

True, this makes NATO more like the OSCE (maybe the OSCEANA "Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Asia, and North America", making for endless Orwell jokes). But that's mostly what these things do, anyway, at least in the ideal world where a good defense never actually needs to be used.

Posted by: Dan Hartung at November 26, 2002 02:19 AM
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